The Earth Chronicles Episode 27: Alien Agendas & Disinformation with Tom Montalk
Jun 21 2023

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David Whitehead [00:02:50]:

All right, here we are. Welcome back to Earth Chronicles. So happy to be back with you. And Josh, so good to see you, man. We got quite the show today. An interesting topic. Definitely going to be talking about a lot of these things over the next few weeks because I think there's so many things coming out right now and we're all trying to figure out what's real, what's a psyop, what's disinformation. Do we throw the whole thing out? What do we do with it? So we have grotten Tom Montauk to join us today. He's going to be jumping in in a minute and I want you guys to go and check out his website, tommontock. Net. We'll post a link in the chat for you. Go check out his site, man. He's been doing this for a long time. I had the honor of having him on Truth Warrior this past week and he just absolutely blew us all away. An incredible wealth of knowledge. And I just thought, wow, what would it be like to have Josh in the room as well and have the three of us just put our heads together and see where it all lands? So I'm really excited about this. Josh, how are you doing, man?

Josh Reid [00:03:49]:

I'm doing well, Dave. How are you?

David Whitehead [00:03:51]:

I'm good. Keeping busy.

Josh Reid [00:03:53]:

I know you're keeping busy.

David Whitehead [00:03:54]:

It's crazy, all these plates spinning. It's crazy what's going on right now.

Josh Reid [00:03:59]:

It absolutely is. We are in the age of disclosure right now, and the val is being lifted and the veil that is talked about in the Bible, the apocalypse, whatever you want to call it, is being lifted. And there's various reasons, I believe, why that is happening, but information is flowing out and Truth is being seen and we have this cabal that is trying to shroud that and trying to cover that up through information warfare. And unfortunately we control the realm of information now, so it's not going too well for them but they're going to keep on persisting. And this conversation today is going to be absolutely fantastic. I was listening to your show earlier with Tom, so I'm excited about this one. You guys were bringing some parallels of shows that we've done. Jupiter, Ascending the Matrix, this type of stuff. So I'm really excited about this.

David Whitehead [00:04:48]:

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Tom Montalk [00:06:30]:

Yeah, no problem. Glad to be here.

David Whitehead [00:06:32]:

Very good. Well, Tom, maybe just a quick little introduction about who you are, how long you've been doing this. We have a pretty big wide ranging audience here. Some people may not know about you. I've known about you for over a decade now and you've been just doing really, really good work. So just a quick background for people, if you would.

Tom Montalk [00:06:51]:

Okay, so I'm an author, a researcher, scientist, inventor, musician, but basically I was born in 1980 and I was born in Germany. My mom, she was psychic. My dad, he was an electrical engineer. And so when I was a kid, I had a lot of paranormal experiences, including alien abductions, demon encounters, ghost encounters. So from an early age, my dad kind of imbued me with a sense of very strong sense of curiosity. So I had a very scientific mind growing up. And when I was confronted with this mystery of these alien abductions and these weird entities that I was dealing with, I was trying to figure out, like, what is going on with reality? I was trying to understand it. And so over the years, I became increasingly curious. And then when I was twelve or 13, I got a library card and I read all the UFO books and metaphysics books and engineering books in my local library, trying to figure things out. And then I went to college for physics and electrical engineering. But I quit after four and a half years because I didn't want to go into grad school and get into the politics and jumping through all the hoops, all that kind of stuff. So I decided to do all my subsequent studies on my own. And so ever since 2002, I've been researching everything on my own. And I started my website a couple of years before that, and I've communicated with thousands and thousands of people, many of whom had shared with me their own experiences, their own research. And so I've accumulated so many different dots that over time, the patterns just started coming together. And so my intention right now is simply to present the distillation of what I've learned in order to help people make more informed decisions, especially during this critical time.

David Whitehead [00:08:25]:

Wow, what a great synopsis. And just a fantastic story. We got into depth in our previous interview, so people can go and check that out. You also have a free book or series of books and information that's on the website. You want to let people know about that.

Tom Montalk [00:08:37]:

Yeah. So I've got multiple books. I've got my latest book. It's called Gnosis alchemy Grail Arc and the Demiurge. And this one is sort of like a meta theory about how our timeline has been corrupted by the use of, or the misuse of alien technology throughout history. I'm talking about the Arc of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, even alchemical technology, like alchemy in itself, it's all part of the same thing. It's all part of using physical technology that is enhanced with subtle energies, so etheric and astral energies. And once you can apply technology in that realm, then you can start manipulating space, time, gravity, consciousness itself, time itself. And I do believe, based on all the clues that I document in the book, from all these different fields, including Ufology mythology, hermeticism Gnosticism, that there definitely has been a corruption of reality as we know it. So we live in a kind of fallen reality right now. So it's a pretty grand hypothesis, but I lay it all out in the book and there's a lot of good spiritual advice at the end. So I've got that. I've got my old book, Fringe Knowledge for Beginners. And that one I wrote for my siblings when they wanted to know, like, hey, well, my nickname to them is Bro, so, hey, Bro, what do you do on your website? And they're only like ten 1112 at the time. So I was like, you know what? Maybe I'll write a book for them, write it in a simpler language, sum it all together. And I did it all in 128 pages. And I realized, well, if it's good enough for them, maybe it's good enough for more people. So I put that out and people just loved it because it's so easy to read and it just gets into the whole big grand picture, but in a very simple and concise way. And then the last book that I had have is called well, it's called Discerning Alien Disinformation. And this is the one that we kind of talked about last time. So it's about 150 pages. And I researched so many of the different disinformants out there and their works, all their books. It was very excruciating to have to go through it because it's kind of like looking through propaganda material and being a logical person. I get so incensed when I read things that are just so blatantly false and wrong and manipulative. So I wanted to expose all that and I broke it all down, found all the patterns, found all the key points that they used to just inform their audiences. And I put it all in the book. And at the very end, I had a chapter on how to discern, which is the most important question, how to discern between actual benevolent beings, benevolent aliens, and negative ones that are pretending to be benevolent. See, because nowadays, nowadays when a lot of these whistleblowers, when they talk about we've encountered NHIS non human intelligences, who are not benevolent, who are malevolent, who have caused harm to human beings. Well, to the public mind, when they hear that, they think only in terms of, oh, well, they must be scary, violent, hostile in that sense. But that's not necessarily true because they could be as I mentioned last time, they could be beautiful, can be sociable, can be friendly, they can make you feel great, but in the end, they can be deceiving, lying, con artists who end up taking over your planet just through nonviolent deception.

David Whitehead [00:11:47]:

Similar to what people see with their politicians and some of these celebrities out there, right?

Tom Montalk [00:11:52]:

Exactly. Or like in fiction with, I don't know, the TV series V, either the old one from the 80s or the remake that was about reptilian aliens showing up and posing as humans, posing as friends, and then secretly taking over the world and snatching humans and basically trying to bleed Earth dry. So I think something like that is very plausible because it's really the Trojan Horse technique. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts so beware of these space Greeks or interdimensional Greeks bearing gifts of technology and promises and friendship, when really you have to look behind what they're saying and look at their actions and see if they're really the true deal or not. So I cover all that in that book. So I don't know. I mean, I cover a pretty wide spectrum and even more so on my website. I've got tons of free articles and videos on my YouTube channel. So, yeah, you guys check it out.

David Whitehead [00:12:40]:

That's awesome. Yeah. Josh, anything you want to throw in there quick?

Josh Reid [00:12:44]:

Well, I mean, maybe we should start at the foundation. Why don't you give us the base understanding of kind of all this? Because we're talking about a lot of different things here. We're talking about spirituality, we're talking about aliens and how that's interconnected. We're talking about ghost interdimensionality. We're talking about skewed timelines. So from your perspective, where do you come about in the sense of the fabric of reality? How do you organize this in your mind? Do you look at it more in a gnostic perspective, hermetic perspective? Do you have your own drawn conclusions upon this in the sense of how all these things work? Because I agree with you that these things are all interconnected, that the phenomena that we see with ghosts and spirits and this type of stuff is directly aligned with what we know of in the sense of extraterrestrial beings. Interdimensional craft Timecraft, whatever. As well as going into the ancient days and talking about angels and demons, various different gods, low g's, big g's, all these types of things that this is all one kind of realm of understanding of knowledge that has since been lost. But we are starting to come back into it. So what is your perspective on all that?

Tom Montalk [00:13:56]:

Well, mostly I start from a perspective of personal experience and going back in time. The earliest one I've had was, I would say, my alien encounters when I was a kid. And so just to really quickly summarize those, the first one I had was when I was in my crib. I was looking up at night. My parents were in the other room, so I was being put to sleep, and all of a sudden this gray alien face peers over the side of the crib and stares down at me. And I'd be so frightened, I would scream out at the top of my lungs, Geist. Geist. Which I was a German baby, so that means ghost. And my parents would come running in, but it wouldn't be there anymore. So that was my first one, and I would have subsequent ones where another I was feeling something staring at me from the dining room behind me, behind the couch. And so I kept turning around. I didn't see anything. Finally, my mom goes up to get me a snack from the from the kitchen. I turn around and there is this eight foot tall shadow being with glowing red orange eyes just staring down at me with utter malice. So I freaked out. My mom came running in and she carried me to the bedroom because I asked her to get me the heck out of there. So those are some examples. And I had some alien abduction experiences, too, but that made me realize that there is a whole hidden compartment to reality behind beyond what just I experienced during the average day. Even though my mom and my dad, even though they had some paranormal experiences, it was nothing like that, necessarily. And so I felt that even with my parents, I couldn't necessarily trust them or have them understand what I was going through. So at the time, I was always ranting to my mom and my grandma about these so called grey men. The Stonemen called them Steiner, mentioned in German in many years later, after I'd forgotten all about this, I asked him, hey, did I ever talk about these gray men? And she's like, oh, yeah, you talked about them. You talked about the Stonemen, you talked about you're always afraid of this owl, this wooden, three foot tall wooden owl that we have at the foot of our stairs at my grandma's house. And owls are a common screen memory and abductions. They substitute the memory of the alien with some other thing, so that when you try to remember the alien, you kind of picture just an ordinary thing, like an owl or a giraffe or some sort of animal. That's what they call a screen memory. And I had a few of those, but long story short, because I had these experiences, I realized, so there's this hidden compartment to reality, and when they're not here, they go somewhere else. So, like, in the sense of ghosts, they show up, they're around here, but then when they disappear, they don't just disappear from existence, they disappear into another realm. So one thing David and I discussed when I did a show with him was the different types of invisibility, because they indicate a lot about how reality works. There's simple, like psychological invisibility where your eyes are picking up something, cameras can pick up something, but mentally, cognitively, you're not even registering it. So that's more of a telepathic, hypnotic, maybe perhaps even an electronic trick of simply blanking your mind from being able to recognize what you're seeing. And even hypnotists and stage magicians can do that. That's pretty ordinary of an ability. But then you can get into things like quantum invisibility, and that's where you take an object and you literally change its so called quantum phase, which is kind of like a radio dial, like a radio dial. So you tune it and you start phasing out from this reality into, like, a parallel timeline or a parallel reality and that sort of thing. Scientists nowadays, they can change the quantum phase using electromagnetic means, and it's called the Aharonov-Bohm effect, based on David Bohm's research. And that's where you use magnetic fields or electric fields to change the quantum phase of something, and it can mess with quantum things. So there's this famous experiment called the double slit experiment, where you fire an electron through two slits cut into a board, and then when the electron goes through it, the waves kind of split, and then they recombine on the other side and create this wave pattern on a screen that should record all the stuff.

Josh Reid [00:17:51]:

They interfere with each other.

Tom Montalk [00:17:52]:

They interfere with each other. And that interference is only possible due to quantum effects. It's due to timelines bleeding into each other and interfering with each other. So in one timeline, the electron goes one way, another timeline goes the other way. And as long as you're not looking at the experiment, as long as you're not measuring it, all those timelines are  bundled together and collapsed together, and they start interfering with each other. And that's where you get these wave patterns on the recording screen. But if you try to measure it, then you don't. Instead of these wave patterns, you only get like, two dots, get like, a cluster of dots here, a cluster of dots there. Because reality is treating each electron as a single thing that goes through the slit, but not as a collection of these nebulous probabilities that interfere with each other in really wavy ways. But anyway, so they found that through these electromagnetic means, they can alter that pattern on the screen by altering the quantum phase of these electrons. So you're kind of messing with timelines when you do it, but they do it in a very small, localized way in the lab that doesn't really have any huge implications for, like, time travel or switching between realities.

Josh Reid [00:18:51]:

Yeah, you say timelines, so maybe explain that, because I'm very familiar with the double slit. I went to school for physics with that. The way I perceive it in the sense of the double slit experiment is what you have is you have two different well, they would call it quantum entanglement, right? One particle is basically split, and it's quantum entangled. The moment that it's observed. This is when it comes particle. We have two black spatters, a black spatter that occurs on the back screen when it's not observed by a conscious observer. What happens is it interferes with itself through the entanglement process. I looked at this in the sense of dimensionality or phase transition. What you're talking about there is that this particle actually exists. And we look at an infinite realm of phase transition where I can just say 360 degrees of phase transition. We're typically observing reality, let's just say, in a 45 degree phase transition. And what's actually happening there is what we're getting is 45 and 90 degrees interfering with each other that's producing that backsplatter. So when you say time, is that kind of what you're talking about as well? In the interdimensionality of this or not the time difference of this is that what we're talking about in time is just different proportions of this phase transition of the quantum state, essentially.

Tom Montalk [00:20:07]:

Basically, because there are many different interpretations of quantum physics about what it actually means. And I think one of the more interesting ones is definitely the Feynman Path integral approach to quantum mechanics and to boil his system down into a very simple language. It's the idea that when you take this electron and you fire it through the double slits, it can go any number of different pathways through the slit and recombine and end up on the recording screen at the end. And so maybe one path, you can assign it one phase and another path, another phase, and so on. So you could have millions, if not countless trillions of different paths. And each one has a slightly different phase, slightly different quantum phase from each other. And the analogy that I like to use is, like, each of these paths is a timeline. I mean, because it is. It's an alternate timeline. And so each one of those, each timeline, has a certain phase associated with it. So it's almost like having a different version of a story per page of a book, right? So you've got, like 700 different versions of multiverse theory, but each one of those pages has a page number, and that page number essentially is quantum phase. When you change quantum phase, you're kind of like, leafing through the different timelines, the different possibilities. So a timeline has a certain quantum phase associated with it. So just like what you just said, when you change the quantum phase, you're kind of like rotating through the different timeline possibilities. So phase and timeline, they're almost synonymous in a way. But in quantum physics, we don't normally think of it as a timeline unless you talk about it from the viewpoint of this Feynman Path integral theory.

Josh Reid [00:21:35]:

Fantastic. It means spot on there, too, because a lot of the theoretical models that I've developed, that I've researched in the sense brings this construct that our reality is completely evolving and that we're transitioning minutely through these various different phase transitions as we grow and learn on this planet. And so as we're going through our life, we're actually just kind of going up and down in this phase transition. Sometimes when we gain more knowledge or information or whatever happens to us, those transitions can be far greater. And this is what produces things that we observe in reality, like the Mandela Effect and these other types of things where we notice something about our reality that's completely different. But in actuality, what it is, is we just transition this quantum phase state. Nothing really changes on the outside world perceptionally, but in actuality, we're in this different dimensional time frame, right?

Tom Montalk [00:22:27]:

Yeah, exactly. And I think one interesting thing to think about in that sense is when Feyman came up with his idea, basically he said that the path that a particle ends up taking is the most probable path. And that's the one that the most number of timelines kind of have in common. So imagine if you got like a trillion timelines, but the ones towards the middle, they're mostly the same, just varies. Very little from this one, very little from that one. And so because they're all the same, they kind of reinforce each other so increases the probability of the particle taking that path. So that's why light goes in a straight line. That's why electrons go through the double slit in the way that they do now. In theory, electron could go to the other side of the universe, come back and then go through the slit. But that's such a long path. That is very, very impressive probable. But here's the thing. What if you go far enough away and you end up with another an island of stability, of different phase paths that align in that sense? So even though you're away from this mainstream consensus, default, most probable reality, there might be other parallel realities that are also probable. But there's this huge gulf of improbability in between the two. And that's why we tend to stay within our reality. But sometimes you might have beings from these other possibilities come here into our reality because they have either the psychic ability or the technology to change their quantum phase and go from there to here. So in other words, just because according to quantum physics we live in the most probable reality right now doesn't mean that there aren't other probable realities out there just separated by this white noise. You could say, just like with radio stations, right? You got this white noise between radio stations. So you have to go through this no man's land before you get to another reality. The problem is that physicists nowadays, they cannot change quantum phase enough in terms of public science because we know the black ops have all kinds of weird stuff. But in terms of public science, they can't change the quantum phase enough to even reach or explore those other really crazy super parallel realities. But the thing is, they can happen sometimes. And that's why we get weird phenomena sometimes.

Josh Reid [00:24:26]:

Well, I mean, the latest experiments that won the Nobel Prize last year on the quantum entanglement that proved the idea of a non localized universe basically kind of reiterating that Schrodinger's cat was wrong. That we do know. The state. And it's going to be in an impropolistic state, a non local state that the universe exists in a non local state when there is no observer or measurement present. I love how scientists try to switch that around in the sense of measurement, because in order for there to be a measurement, there has to be an observer to perform the measurement. So it kind of reiterates that statement. But going into what you're saying in the sense of how this functions, in the sense of the foundation's reality, I tend to throw away the idea of particle, because particle is just a way for physicists to conceptualize what they're talking about mathematically. In actuality, what we're dealing with is field theory. And we're talking about perturbations within these fields that produce various different effects. And I like how you explained it, because you're right is that these various perturbations the level of energy, the flavor of energy, the polarity of energy, the phase transition of that energy, how it perpetes through that field is going to produce an action of which that interaction is going to produce the reflection of reality. And this is kind of what our science today, at least in the public science, has not achieved fully is understanding how to produce that perturbation in the field that is transitioned to a certain degree to change the overall field. I call it the conscious field. I call it the prime field, the primer field. But this is what we're really dealing with here in reality is this primer field that is a collapsed multidimensionality of infinite amounts of probabilities that can happen and that we are interacting with energy, that whatever. Science doesn't define energy. We can define energy ourselves. But I look at it as consciousness, because in order for there to be something, something has to observe that something. And that observation can only happen through two conscious interactions. You have to observe it. It has to observe you or neither exists. And therefore, when we look at this, this field itself becomes this field of consciousness I call the primer field. And you have basically thought or action or whatever influence that perpetrates into this field that manifests the translation of reality. Is that kind of what you're saying?

Tom Montalk [00:26:43]:

Yeah. Well said. Well said. And I mean, there are different approaches to understanding reality. And I think a hologram is good too, because we're talking about a hologram. The hologram that we know, all it is is it's a two dimensional photographic plate. And this two dimensional photographic plate, it has a layer of chemicals on it, and it's etched in there in such a way that you can record both amplitude of a wave, both the intensity of a wave and also the phase. So it records the alignment between different waves. When you record a three dimensional object, the image of it on a holographic plate, you're essentially recording a wave pattern that is very similar to a quantum wave function, which also has amplitude and it also has phase. But a wave function in itself is just a nebulous cloud of possibilities. And so you have to measure it or you have to observe it in order to actualize it into a single instance. Like a watch, for example. Okay?

Josh Reid [00:27:36]:

Right. A good example of this for the audience out there maybe they're struggling with this is that if you've seen those pictures where if you look at it straight up, it's one thing, you start to turn it, it transitions to another thing and you turn it sideways and it transitions completely into a different image. It's the same material construct, but yet its translation is observed differently through the degree of which you're perceiving it.

Tom Montalk [00:28:03]:

Yeah, exactly. Because when you take a hologram, depending on how you shine the laser on it or depending on how you move your head in relation to the holographic plate, you do see different angles of the image. Right. So the observer I mean, with a hologram, an observer is responsible for what the observer ends up seeing. If you don't have an observer, the holographic plate is merely a pattern of waves and phases, like little circles and things like that. So same thing with reality. I mean, it seems to me that reality in its base, when you or I are not observing it, there's still something there, right? It's not like nothing. There's still something there. And so that's why there's this important concept in philosophy or ancient beliefs amongst the Greeks of this thing called the demiurge. The demiurge being this universal mind that projects and fashions reality. But in my belief, I think it only fashions and projects the wave function of the universe. You could say the hologram, the giant hologram which encodes all different possibilities. It's like a multiversal hologram that encodes all timelines, past, present, future, all realities altogether. And then it is we who are the laser shining on the hologram and therefore moving moving through it. Now, you and I, we're all moving through it relatively at the same rate of time. But I think that's only because we are chain ganged together, perhaps by our DNA, perhaps by the way our soul has been programmed or encoded to all live at the same moment in time, relatively in the same timeline. And therefore we're able to interact with each other. But that doesn't mean that's the only reality because it could be other beings who are interpreting the hologram in a different way and have even figured out how to traverse between different layers of the hologram. Because when we talk about a two dimensional hologram here, in reality it's probably not two dimensional. It could be three dimensional, four dimensional. But it can encode even higher dimensional processes within it. Yeah. So things are quite complicated.

David Whitehead [00:29:50]:

Guys, I'm just sitting here going, that is amazing. What a great explanation. Crash course in quantum physics. And there's many different angles and nuances to some of these theories. But what we're trying to get at here is an understanding of this phenomena. Right, Tom, like, this is where we're at is we have the sort of nuts and bolts theory where I actually feel there's an aspect of this that seems to be very true, which is that just as we are in this 3d reality as 3d beings that have multiple dimensions to ourselves. There's other beings in the universe that are also alive and conscious in the same way we are. And whether we're talking about beings traversing time and space to get here or whether they're traversing through layers of dimensions, it could be that we're getting a mixed bag of things. And you did a really good explanation of just sort of your big picture of where you sort of have good, evil, god, what we call the devil, the layers of what we call the spiritual dimensions, the interdimensions, the extraterrestrials. Could you break that sort of big picture down for how you look at it?

Tom Montalk [00:30:52]:

Yeah. To preface that, it's important to understand that in the end, if everything is consciousness, then everything is ultimately just thought interacting with thought. So you're a thought, I'm a thought. We're all thoughts, but we're interacting within an environment that is thought up by something even bigger than us. You can call it the demiurge or you can call it even something higher, like God or whatever. So we're in this environment, the shared environment that kind of locks us together into the shared experience. And because of that, we have to make compromises. If I want something and you want something, but it's the same thing, and sometimes you might get it and I don't. So there's compromise, and that leads to competition. And competition can lead to resentment, and then it can lead to the evolutionary impulse to become better at either cooperating and helping others for the greater common good or towards exploiting others for self gain. All right, so just from the fact that you have different beings with free will existing in a common shared environment, it automatically leads to a kind of spiritual polarization between wanting to cooperate with others or being an evil bastard, in a way, kind of like manipulating and exploiting other beings. Now, it starts, of course, in the animal kingdom with competition, like the rule of the jungle, the law of the jungle, animals just competing for food. And sometimes some animals, they cooperate with each other for harmonious reasons. So it's not all just Darwinian dog eat dog kind of thing. There's also cooperation. But once we get to the level of intelligent beings like humans, or at least most humans, because some are not quite that intelligent. But anyway, for most humans, once you have free will, you can make a choice between polarizing even more in one direction or the other. And so once you make that choice, you can keep evolving in that direction through increasing levels of conscious ability, intelligence, technology, whatever. And so that's why life eventually starts evolving even beyond where we are at right now, okay? And so that's why if you over a long enough span of time, you're going to get a big gradation of different levels and different orientations and polarizations of beings. So at the very bottom, you could call that the ultimate force of destruction, the ultimate evil, the ultimate negativity exploitation, cunning malevolence, whatever. And then at the very top, you could have the ultimate level of benevolence or consciousness or spirituality, and we could just call that God or the infinite creator. Now, between these two extremes, you have multiple levels. And I think humans were probably right around the middle. So it's kind of like Lord of the Rings, where Middle Earth is where the men lived. So I think we live in Middle Earth within this schema. And above us, if you go high enough, you get basically light beings, angelic beings, like highly involved beings who are beyond physicality, and they're very good. And then if you go below us, vibrationally enough, then you get to these nonphysical demonic type beings. So they're not the ultimate evil, but they're in between. So they're individualized, but they're very malicious. They're nonphysical. They're in what the mystics would call the astral plane, the lower astral planes. And from there they can come into our world and feed off our energy and kind of just cause lots of chaos and destruction and so on. Now, the problem is, where do aliens fit into this picture? Because aliens, they can phase out from reality, they can go through walls, but at the same time, they can also pick you up. They're also physical. So they're in this weird state that's in between the level of physicality that we're at and the total non physicality that, say, angelic beings or demonic beings are at. So I think they occupy the span between humans and aliens or between humans and the demonic realm. So this little in between liminal space, this is where they're at above and below us. So they're quasi physical, which means that they have bodies, they have ships, they have living things that they like homes, essentially, and bases and so on. But they can shift between realities. They can shift probably to some degree through time. I mean, we know from abduction reports, for example, that an abductee can be taken and goes through, let's say, 8 hours of procedures on some alien base or an alien ship. They get returned home, and it's only 1 hour or two hour later at home. So there's this one to four time compression, which could be as much as one to 50 between our rate of time and their rate of time. And so they have control over time. And it's also been known that they can go like when you go inside of an alien ship, a lot of times the inside is way bigger than the outside. So the outside seems, oh, it's like 35 yards across or 50 yards across. You go inside, it's like the size of a football stadium.

Josh Reid [00:35:28]:

I saw this in the recent some of the recent whistleblower stuff. One of the things that came out from one of the nondisclosed whistleblowers was that there was a 30 foot ship, and that when you go inside of it, it's two football fields in length inside. And there's tons of different compartments that they've been able to manipulate dimensionality, open up new dimensions, interdimensional what they consider interdimensional aspects to our dimension inside of this technology. So I want to go ahead and put that out there, but go ahead.

Tom Montalk [00:35:59]:

Yeah, no, exactly. So it's interesting how the whistleblowers have been either mirroring or confirming a lot of what the Ufology and abduction field has already known for many, many decades. But of course, that was all in the Fringe. It didn't have a uniform and an insignia behind it, right? So nowadays the credibility factor is being ramped up more and more in order to take these fringe ideas and make them increasingly extreme, but just to finish up what we're talking about. So with these alien beings, clearly they seem to have the ability to manipulate spacetime, and perhaps some are even time travelers, some are they seem to be more interdimensional. Like, they're probably not even rooted within time as we know it. So within the alien sphere, there's also this huge spectrum of evolution from the more physical to the more spiritual or metaphysical or nonphysical. And so therefore, alien. When we say alien, it's not just one thing... It can be everything from pure extraterrestrial. I mean, I think it's possible that there could be actual just pure spacemen in spaceships. But it's probably pretty rare that they would even come here because it's quite dangerous to do that to the more like quasi physical, which I think encompasses most of them, to pretty much mostly just like the metaphysical or spiritual who might as well be angels or might as well be demons, depending on what direction you want to go. But they are basically what we would call ultra terrestrials. So Ultra like being like, way beyond versus, let's say, extraterrestrials, which just means from another planet, versus interdimensional, which is kind of like the Ultra terrestrials. It's kind of synonymous with that. So there's different types, and they're not all mutually exclusive, so we definitely have to take that into account.

David Whitehead [00:37:40]:

That's fascinating. Basically, you're saying it's a mixed bag, it's a bit of everything. The possibilities are there. The reports are there because some of these reports that I've looked at from both experiencers multiple sighting, experiencers abductees contactees, there's different types of experiences that they have. Some of them are very physical and very real and very much like there's like a person walking up to me that did this thing or said this thing, or these kids that all saw it all at the same time in the same space. And then there's other stories that are just like, it's crazy. You have a craft flying over a bunch of police officers that I remember talking to years ago that they said was the size of a football stadium, and it made zero sound. They're all sitting there just looking at it. And then it just zips off and blinks out and becomes a small little dot and then flies off. And they're like, we don't know how to explain it. That's what we saw. So it seems to have that almost interdimensionality aspect to it. Or at the very least, some of this could just be technology that we don't yet understand. There might be ways, if the understanding would be had by an advanced civilization as to how to gain access to the ability to phase between these different layers of the time space continuum, then they may have just developed that technology. That technology could be physical technology. It could be a sort of consciousness based, psychological, spiritual kind of technology, if you want to call it that. It could be a lot of different things. But I think the bottom line is what we're talking about is that consciousness, as you said, is present in all things and there's scales to it. And that means that we inhabit a universe that is teeming with various forms of conscious, intelligent life, some of which is more physical and some of which is less physical. But then again, even our definition of what physical is is slowly changing, isn't it?

Tom Montalk [00:39:26]:

Yeah. I mean, what really defines physical and to me, physical simply means an environment that you don't have the total freedom to change as you wish. Like, if you were to imagine something right now, like an apple or a chair or a tree, you have total control of that. You can make it a green apple. You can make it a red apple. So that's imagination. That's pure consciousness. But of course, a real apple. You hold it in your hand. You can't just think and make it green if it's a red apple, right? But the thing is, something is making it a red apple. And what is it? Well, it's not your conscious mind. It's just whatever projects reality in general. So the central processing unit or the graphical processing unit of the universe is what makes it what it is. And so that is what we consider real. But it's not real in an absolute sense. It's only real in a functional sense. So because it's programmed to resist our will and to have consistency through time and through history, that's what we consider reality. But by that definition, though, I mean, if you had been born into, let's say, the matrix with plugged into a virtual simulation as long as rules are set, you would think that's reality only because it functioned like reality. So I think our reality in itself, it's essentially just a collective dream that is made incredibly persistent by a mind that is more powerful than our own or a computer that's more powerful than our own. It could be technology, it could be consciousness, or it could be a conscious technology or a technological consciousness, right? Our English words start failing when we're talking about these hyperdimensional concepts.

David Whitehead [00:40:54]:

That's why in the ancient world, they would ascribe it to some kind of a spiritual other worldly, but in a different, maybe concept because we're all just trying to observe reality and then try to describe what it is. And we started by describing it through symbolism and images. Cave art and symbolism, kanji hieroglyphs, et cetera. And then it became words. And this is how we develop language, which is an interesting study in itself. And then look at where we're at right now, where we're all sort of when you talk to different people, everybody gets all up in arms when you bring in different perspectives, but half the time you're like, it's just a different word that we're applying to. The same thing you're conceiving of in your mind and applying that word to it.  So there's this disconnect between all of us right now as everybody's observing these whistleblowers come out. They're observing anybody that's been interested in this subject has researched some of these big cases of these paranormal events, and then they're making conclusions off the data that they have ascribing words and definitions to these things. And then other people have different ways of describing it, and everybody thinks they're arguing over different interpretations. But sometimes I look at it and I'm like, man, you're saying angels and demons. We're saying extraterrestrials or interdimensionals or call it what you want. The ancients called them the Anunnaki, the Nephilim, the fallen angels, the Jinn, the whatever, the ARCONs. Today we talk about EBES and non human intelligences and all these things, but it's the same theme, just with different names applied to it, right?

Tom Montalk [00:42:25]:

Yeah. I would say, like, 80% of it, for sure is exactly the same thing. And then the remaining 20%, that's just nuances. So, for example, if you compare, let's say, a human serial killer like Jeffrey Dahmer with a negative alien that is very cunning and wants to be part of the thing that takes over Earth to a demon or even like the head demon. If you compare all those things, they're all different flavors of what we would call evil or some sort of destructive negative polarity. Okay, so 80% of this, it all overlaps. It's all part of the dark forces you could put in quotes. And then the subtleties the 20% is merely, oh, okay, well, one's human, one's alien, one's non physical, but they're all implementing for the most part the same agenda of destroying or trying to snuff out the spiritual light within the other living beings and to feed off of it. So there's just some subtle differences. But overall, archetypally, it's the same thing.

David Whitehead [00:43:23]:

And if you were to speculate here. If we think about our situation on Earth and all this information that we have coming out, everybody's looking at it, we got this, a lot of evil is being exposed. We just had Jim Cavizal go on Bannon and talk openly about what he believes is going on with this child trafficking adrenochrome thing. We've covered on this show many times. The whole underground satanic network, the whole Epstein Island thing and all these things hunter Biden laptops and Anthony Weiner laptops, pizza gates, like these very dark evil things, right? And we're learning more about it. And then there's this other subject that's been on the fringes of this UFO subject, abducting people and all these story cattle mutilations. Some visitations seem positive, some seem negative. A lot of people look at those as separate subjects, and maybe they are. But how do you see it? Do you see that there is maybe with all those levels that you've just described, is there a monolithic agenda here? Or is it different agendas that we're just sort of experiencing and brushing up against? We don't really know what it is, but what's the point? Why would there be such predatory forces preying on humans and treating us basically like farm animals? What do you think about that?

Tom Montalk [00:44:38]:

Well, I think that for the longest time the Awakening community has focused mostly on just the corrupt politicians, the 3D level of the conspiracy. But these are just the leaves of the branches of a bigger tree. And if you trace the tree down to its roots at the very bottom root level, I think that's where you start getting into the more malevolent ultra terrestrial beings who are not even physical but they have an immense level of psychic power, very immense level of cunning and wisdom in terms of being able how to enact their agenda. And I think they have a whole sub hierarchy of different beings going from the least physical to the most physical, to people within our own world, which at the very bottom would be, let's say, our corrupt politicians, our evil type secret societies, rogue intelligence groups that are involved in using black ops technology for nefarious purposes. So that whole milieu of corruption and psychopathic impulses, I think is ultimately being inspired by and managed by either directly or indirectly by ultra terrestrials that are way at the top of the level of evolution. So the thing is, when you study the 3D level of the conspiracy in the same way that serial killers say that I was driven, I felt so compelled by the voices in my head to do this sort of thing right now. Sometimes, okay, sometimes those voices are probably just like MKUltra type government voice of skull technology. But I do think a lot of the times they are being that they're contending with a form of demonic possession, right? So people who have a lot of experience with exorcism and the whole, like demonology the occult field. They'll recognize so many of the common signs of that within what these serial killers report about what drove them to do this. But see that's serial killers, these are like the blue collar ruffians compared to the ultra sleek, ultra professional ones, the same version of that who are in the halls of our power, who are the ones that are masquerading as politicians or they got their major colonels or whatever in the military. They have power and they know how to hide themselves and how to enact their agendas without getting caught. So these serial killers that we know, they're just the ones that got caught because they're just so sloppy and acting on their own. But you could easily have the same demonic forces working through much more intelligent, much more professional, and much more careful vessels that sometimes we think they are great celebrities, people that we look up to, but they're not because they're just so good at hiding themselves. I mean, that's the whole point of being a sociopath, is that you're charming, that you can manipulate people without being caught, you can charm them. As we get forward in time, I think we're starting to shift more and more from realizing just how corrupt our politicians are to realizing more and more like what is behind that. And that's why the alien disclosure thing is so pivotal in making that transition from one to the other, because that's what's transitioning us from the 3D level of understanding to the 4D level of understanding the next dimensional level of understanding about what's behind it, which is the non human factor. And more importantly, once you start getting beyond the 3D problems and into the 4D problems, that's when you can start accessing and thinking about 4D type solutions. Because right now, if you're only focused on corrupt politicians, you're only thinking in terms of voting, legislation, or activism. What does any of that do about the alien or demonic presence on our planet?

David Whitehead [00:48:15]:

Right?

Tom Montalk [00:48:16]:

For the most part, nothing, because you're just doing bonsai tree trimming, making it look all pretty, but you're not literally cutting it at the root. Right? And so you have to think beyond 3D in order to find 4D solutions. So I think the Great Awakening, it will become increasingly potent as time goes on because people are expanding their consciousness and you're starting to realize what the real problems are and therefore what the real solutions are. Wow.

David Whitehead [00:48:47]:

Josh, you got any follow ups there?

Josh Reid [00:48:49]:

I got a ton, but pick your one.

David Whitehead [00:48:52]:

Pick one.

Josh Reid [00:48:52]:

Well, it's interesting because I studied these topics for two and a half decades, three decades, and the occult, esoteric mysteries, hermeticism gnosticism, religions, ancient cultures, history, all this stuff. And one thing that I began to see, especially being interested in science, was that there was this replicate pattern that I started noticing everywhere. That whether it was human interaction, whether it was what politicians do to societies, whether it's what society and culture formulate upon, whether it's what happens at the sub quantum, the quantum, the molecular or the cosmological is there's always this pattern that is replicant within our existence, in our universe. And I developed a whole theory upon this. I'm not going to get into that right now. But basically what this pattern is is that there's always a relationship that we have with something, whether it's reality and God itself, whether it's another individual, whether it's a symbol sigil, whether it's your computer, whether it's just a desk, it doesn't matter. We always have some type of relationship. And the part of that relationship which is interesting, this is where the pattern comes about is there's always a transference of energy, there's always attention given towards that a relationship created and a transference of energy that presides upon this. And typically what we want in harmonious relationships, right? We want those two things to come together that provide this emergent relationship that is balanced, that is beneficial to each side, right? And this produces that emergent phenomena in a relationship. Those are two couples in love. And in a country where you have that relationship between the government and the people, you have a constitutional republic that actually works for the people and prevents opportunity. These types of things. We can see this on the quantum, the sub quantum. We can see this in molecular interactions. We can see this everywhere in the world. But then there's also this is that energy can be pulled away from one system. You have energy vampires, you have toxicity, you have all these other things that come about as well as one person can steal that from another person or you can just allow it to pass through and allow no relation to be actually encapsulated. So my question then is knowing that this pattern exists as above, so below phenomena that kind of exists through the dimensionality in the sense of relationship and energy transference. Do you see one set agenda that is happening currently on this planet pertaining to that? I got my own theories in the sense of kind of how all this formulated of what was going on, the siphoning of energy. We can go into the Jupiter ascending the matrix perspective of this, of how human beings are utilized for their emotional energy to feed potentially upper or lower dimensional beings. And this is why we're such a storehouse because we're unaware of the fact of how nature kind of formulates and interacts. Or is it just a whole bunch of different agendas all playing out at the same time and we're wondering what the heck is going on.

Tom Montalk [00:51:45]:

Well, I think it's an overriding agenda and within it you have nested different sub agendas that each layer gets what it wants for itself, but ultimately it's feeding the bigger agenda, right? So it's kind of like the American economy. You got this debt based economy and it's debt based because you have the multinational bankers and the Federal Reserve and the people that own the Federal Reserve feeding off the wealth of this nation. So that's the overriding money agenda. But within that, of course, you've got corporations just trying to make money for themselves, and then you've got corrupt people within the corporations trying to embezzle funds for themselves. So it's a stacked level of exploitation, but ultimately, the house always wins. Like, the overriding thing is what gets the ultimate profit here, and that's for money. And you can say the same thing for, I don't know, like life force energy, which Robert Monroe and his books, he called it Loosh L-O-S-H lucie Energy. Now, since you had a physics background, I want to mention an interesting experiment or study that I came across a long time ago. I don't even remember the name of it anymore, but essentially, it was about the quantum idea of tunneling through barriers. So when you've got this wall, I mean, you already know this, but I'm explaining this for the audience. When you got this potential barrier, it's like a little wall, and you shoot a little particle at it. Under our everyday normal conditions, this particle, if it doesn't have enough energy to go over it, it'll bounce off it, so it'll go back the other way. But according to quantum physics, even though it doesn't have enough energy to go over it, part of that wave, part of that wave function will go through the wall, and the particle can then pop out on the other side and keep on going. So it can do something impossible. Nowadays, we would call that fringe. We would call that paranormal. We would call it Fortian phenomena, frtean 40 and phenomena. It was doing something impossible. But here's the thing. According to the study, they did this with multiple particles, all right? With multiple particles. And what they found was when you got this potential barrier and these multiple particles start coming at it, one particle cannibalize off the wave function of another, and that particle then can then shoot through the barrier much more easily while the other ones are stopped from going through, okay? Because they just don't have even at a quantum level, they don't even have enough energy to go through it. So I found that interesting that you can have one timeline or one particle that boosts itself in probability power. You could say, like, quantum amplitude to do the impossible at the expense of others not being able to do the impossible. And to me, I found that interesting. Like, is it just a metaphor, or is it an actual physical explanation behind how it is that you have this other civilization that can do magical things like move through walls and fly through the air at crazy, crazy speeds and do right angle turns? And yet here we are. As humans, most of us are not. Psychic. We can't go through walls. We live in this we're locked into this five sense reality. Most people barely have enough energy to make it through the day, so that's why they blitz out in front of the TV each night. So it's like we are being fed upon of our life force energy. Now, the question is, like, what is life force energy? Well, in a physical, like, from a quantum physics perspective, it's the ability to do the improbable, because the most probable thing is for your body to fall apart like a corpse entropy, for the body to experience entropy and to fall apart and merge back into nature. That's like the most probable thing. And so to be alive every moment that you're alive, you're doing the improbable. Just the fact that you're intelligent and you're able to build something instead of destroy it, that makes you improbable. So life force energy is negative entropy. It's improbability. That's what it is. So if something is feeding off our life force energy, in a sense, you could theorize that, well, perhaps it enables them to do more improbable things, to access parts of the hologram that others cannot because those others are being fed upon, so therefore, they're being held back while this other civilization is being kind of pushed forward. So that's sort of an interesting I don't know if it's a metaphor or an explanation, but I just wanted to bring it up.

Josh Reid [00:55:35]:

No, I like that, too. Because there's a lot of talk these days within the physics communities. Theoretical physics community and cosmology about dark matter and dark energy or the perception of negative energy and how to come upon negative. Energy because there's this missing variable in the universe in the sense of the density of the universe, and it's 82% of the universe, which basically ruins their whole theory. And I don't understand why they don't just change their theory when it's 82% of it is incorrect instead of trying to fill it with some unknown variable and some unknown that they're going to just try to make up out of thin air. Science today has completely baffled me, but when we start looking at this, I believe that variable right there that you were talking about, this life force is the fundamental field of reality, at least that's how I perceive it, is that this life force is the fundamental construct of reality and that everything in reality contains it. But maybe that the life force is potentially even negative energy, and that's why it has this negative entropy, right? That it's evolving instead of moving towards a state of entropy.

David Whitehead [00:56:40]:

And just to say so that people don't misunderstand you, you're not saying negative energy in the way of, like, negative evil.

Josh Reid [00:56:46]:

No.

Tom Montalk [00:56:47]:

Evil?

Josh Reid [00:56:47]:

No.

Tom Montalk [00:56:48]:

Like a battery.

David Whitehead [00:56:49]:

Right?

Tom Montalk [00:56:49]:

Yeah.

Josh Reid [00:56:49]:

We would actually go back to the perception ability of what we were talking about, of phase transition and polarity, in the sense of how that system moves to a point of entropy or moves to a point of efficiency. Or optimization is that if you have a dualistic universe, of which we do, if there is this observable phenomena of things moving to points of entropy, then there has to be the dualistic scenario of those things also moving in the opposite direction of entropy. And so how do we explain that in our current universe? Well, science doesn't even bother. Science doesn't even care to even look at that whole concept. Instead, they pack it up in the dark energy and dark matter. They throw it to the side and say, one day we'll figure this out. They throw a whole bunch of equations out there to explain the missing variables and they say, See, it all works. And it really doesn't.

Tom Montalk [00:57:38]:

So anyways, no, it's true because when your theory is flawed, then you're going to make predictions that don't come true, right? So that's why, as far as I know, they haven't actually found a dark particle or an actual proof of dark energy or dark matter. Obviously. Personally, I do think that their theory is flawed. I don't believe in the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago. I don't believe in that. But I think if they expanded their understanding of spacetime and gravity and had a true understanding of gravity, then they would realize, "Oh, shoot, no it's just that let's say matter creates like a negative curvature in spacetime." So it's the illusion of there being negative mass even though there really isn't something like that. It's like something they're not accounting for. But of course, they're not even accounting for life force energy and parallel consciousness, really.

Josh Reid [00:58:29]:

And if we go back to the spiritual teachers of the ancient days, this was explained with the life force energy. We have Prana, we have Qi, we have Loose, like you're just talking about even in regular science fiction. In Star Wars. We have midaglorians. We have Wilhelm Reich and Oregon. We have bioplasmas. We have all these various different conceptualizations that have been brought about by the science community or by what was determined to be the science community in ancient days that have talked about this energy force that is existent and prevalent within the universe that moves through us or resonates with us, vibrates with us. However we want to look at it that we're these holographic antennas through our DNA and it picks up this signal or that we are the transmitters of that signal. However we want to interpret it. But either way that it is in existence. And I think that you're right to say that whatever this phenomena is that's occurring on this planet right now, it's about that. And I think that it's about that because there's this nesiance that has come over humanity, this loss of knowledge and wisdom throughout the ages which has misplaced us in the sense of who and what we are. And I'm not saying that we're anything special, but we are conscious beings that are evolving within this process of the universe and this extrapolation of what the universe actually is and that we have this force, this energy that is existent within us, and most people are completely unaware of it. Most people don't even know it exists, and they don't care that it exists. And it's easily manipulated because it's easily manipulated. What happens to the predators when they find easy things to prey on? They swarm in, and they completely annihilate that prey until it's gone because they're easy pickens. And I think that's what kind of the scenario that we're seeing right now on Earth.

Tom Montalk [01:00:15]:

Yeah. I do think that they're taking advantage of a quality of this matrix experience or this reality. They're taking advantage. They're exploiting something about it that perhaps originally was well intended. Okay. Because one of the reasons why this is even happening is we're not psychic. So we can't see when we have, let's say, a demon standing next to us, plugging into the back of our brain in order to manipulate our emotions or something, which happens if you're clairvoyant, you can see entities do things like that. So this is not just an ad hoc explanation, but so we're not psychic. We don't live long enough in order to really capitalize on our life wisdom. It's like people get wise, right, around 40, 50, 60 years old, and then what? They only get, like, another 1020 years, and then they're dead? Come on. What if they had another 200 years to go off of that? I mean, imagine everything that they could do. But no, they cut us off right at that peak moment when we've expended our usefulness. But we're not wise enough yet to become dangerous. We don't live long enough to start seeing the big patterns. And so you combine that with, let's say, incarnational amnesia. So past life studies, whether it's through hypnotic regression or kids who remember it even without any sort of hypnosis, there's proof of reincarnation. If you really dig into the literature, there's, like, so much proof of it.

Josh Reid [01:01:35]:

Right.

David Whitehead [01:01:36]:

It's one of the most ancient concepts ever exist in the world in ancient history.

Tom Montalk [01:01:40]:

Yeah. And it used to be in Christian text as well, before it got excluded from the Bible as we know it.

Josh Reid [01:01:48]:

I had an experience and a story about about that, an experience that happened to me between 2008 to 2010, and it completely blew my mind. There is no doubt in my mind that reincarnation is absolutely, 100% real because of that experience. And the experience was so profound and impropolistic that it doesn't even you can't explain it. It's not mere coincidence that it happened like that. Absolutely.

Tom Montalk [01:02:18]:

Yeah. So if you look at it, whether we're looking at it physically, like us being bound to this planet, or if you look at it psychologically, with us having usually no memories of our past lives, no ability to see beyond the five senses. It is like we are in an artificially isolated or artificially quarantined reality. And you see that in movies like in The Matrix where no one knows what they're really in. Or dark city, for example. They're in a city that's not even technically a city.

David Whitehead [01:02:46]:

Great job, by the way.

Tom Montalk [01:02:47]:

Great film. Yeah. Or the children's movies, Maze Runner, they're in this maze. They wake up in it. They have no memories of why they're there and they have to figure out how to get out of the maze. Or this new show from Apple TV, Silo, where they're in this underground silo and they don't know because their history got erased. So they don't know why they're there. So I think all these different fictional depictions are all depicting the same condition, which is us, like right here, right now, in this reality. Now, all these things, what were they for in the movie? Well, in The Matrix, it was in order to feed off our life force energy. Well, off our thermal energy, but off our energy. In Dark City, it was for the aliens to understand and manipulate the soul, which they themselves apparently didn't have. So they were there to try to understand it so that they could control it better. And then in Silo Season hasn't finished yet, so we don't know, unless you read the book. But there's just different theories about why that is. Now, personally, I think that we are here for well, for both good and negative reasons. It's a mixed bag, just like you said, David. So it's a mixed bag. And on the positive side, I think we are here to do what only we can do by being here, which is to experience, to grow from experience and to strengthen and sharpen our consciousness or our sentience, the going forward. No matter what world we go into after this, no matter what happens after this, we go into it way stronger than we would otherwise. So it's kind of like a gym for the soul. Like we're here, like weightlifting, becoming stronger so that we can I don't know. I don't know what comes after this. We know it could be some sort of interdimensional war that's going on. And this is like combat training right here to train our mind and our soul go through hardship so that afterwards we can go through that. Or, you know what? Maybe it's just the same way. Well, off people who need a purpose in life, they start climbing mountains, right? So that's how you get 1000 people trying to climb a mountain every single day. These long lines of mountain climbers going up, they do it just to check it off their bucket list, but also to test themselves to see if they can even do it. So perhaps that's another reason why we're here. But in order for that to happen, though, you can't have interference necessarily from all past lives. And all the trauma that you've gone through. You can't be, like, angry right now about your ex wife from three lifetimes ago who screwed you over, because that's going to mess you up right now in your mission, right here, right now. So amnesia can serve that purpose. But because of these limitations that allow that to happen, allow this gym or the school to happen, that also puts us at a disadvantage with these negative beings who are preying on us, because now they can prey on our ignorance, on our amnesia, of not knowing who we are. Like, for example, in the alien field, it's actually quite common for an abductee or a contactee to be told, you're one of us in a human body, okay? And you already agreed to this experience. So why don't you just give into that, realize who you are and cooperate with us, because that is you fulfilling your mission. The problem is these abductees only have a very vague sense. Like, yeah, I guess I do feel like and I never really felt like I was of Earth. I always felt like I was from some other planet or some other realm. But they don't know anything beyond that. They don't know exactly what alien faction they were aligned with before coming here. And so for all we know, they could be told by an enemy alien faction that they're one of them and to cooperate with them and to you know what I mean? It's like because of our ignorance, we are easily misled into the total opposite direction of what we're here to do. And so the same thing that gives us an advantage in terms of spiritual growth also can lead to our destruction. So that's why it is a mixed bag. It's a double edged sword. It's not guaranteed. And so therefore, essentially, it's a gamble. So you go into something knowing you can gain something, but you can also lose it. Essentially, this world is like a casino. You can make money, but you can also get cleaned out.

David Whitehead [01:06:28]:

So let's get into this. And Josh, I'll have you open this part up. What the hell is going on with this disclosure stuff? I've got every opinion coming at me. I've interviewed Steve Bassett about it. We know he's just trying to will disclosure into existence and hopefully that's going to happen. Other people think this is all a big Psyop, a giant misinformation campaign. Some people think maybe this is both sides. Actually, Tom, we can get to your interesting take on this afterwards, but where are you sitting right now? Josh? You've got a lot of current information on your desk. What's going on with this process of so called disclosure?

Josh Reid [01:09:42]:

I think that there's a few different scenarios that potentially could be playing out and that we have to look at all options because we cannot determine necessarily what it is until the truth really comes out. The whistleblower that did came from David Groosh. This guy is 100% completely legitimate. Credentialed there came to me as there's three other people that testified in this last year in front of congress, all at the same time. They presented evidence to committee, congressmen and senators including video evidence, DVD evidence, paper evidence, documentation, these types of things. And these people are seriously afraid for their life. And this is one of the reasons that they came forth, is that they've looked at the past and seen people involved in these projects and they've seen some of them disappear, these types of things. So these people are coming forth out of necessity for survival as well as from what we're getting in the sense of some of the other things we're hearing, is that they're coming out because they believe that they're very close to having full control of this technology and they're afraid that it can potentially be utilized against humanity. Now that is the surface level of what we're hearing and what we're seeing kind of on the whistleblower sense, if we look historically back at this, we know that especially from these whistleblowers, that this technology that is in these deep black budget projects are being controlled by defense contractors. These are the big defense contractors, ACOM, Lockheed, Raytheon, so forth, who have basically gobbled up all these sub companies that were prevalent after the Manhattan Project, that took over a lot of these secret projects. And now we're seeing that those companies still have hold of this and they operate under kind of originator, control or con special Access programs. And this was revised in 1998 of how these SAP programs were actually handled at this level. And so these projects, apparently, from what we're hearing, is that they've had a hard time reverse engineering this technology. At least the propulsion, the antigrav vitix, these types of things. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. But I do believe that there's levels of this technology that have been reverse engineered to a very large degree. And I believe that this is the computer technology and the artificial technology, artificial intelligence technology that we're seeing come up right now. And they've known about this for a while and been able to reverse engineer it. There was a few things that I talked about in the early 2000s, late 1990s, we saw the stream of military weaponry and intelligence that was being stolen from the United States, covered up through public nuclear incidents, these types of things. I know that there was a group of general officers within our military who were very, very patriotic to this country that stood up and tried to investigate this utilizing the military intelligence structures. This culminated in 2012 to 2014. Barack Obama reelected, fired 128 military generals, all conservative, constitutionalists. This is when Snowden came out, did his drop on the NSA, which was the program they were utilizing, the spy on the deep State and all their crimes and criminality, especially these stolen military technologies. Then we enter Hillary Clinton's emails. We have Inspector General in the intelligence community, McColla, who testified in front of the Congress, talking about Special Access programs, or Con, talking about how they're classified. He can't talk about these programs can't even do it in closed door sessions. Then Donald Trump comes in and we see him end Obama era educational programs from 2008 with China. So basically, Barack Obama allowed China to go and fund universities and professors, do education exchange, bring those professors over there and we see Donald Trump go in there and start prosecuting some of these professors. The interesting thing from my research was that these professors all had projects that would be done through the National Science Foundation, which is nothing more than a kind of intermediary for black budget projects. DoD DARPA and the Doe and NASA Project grants that were all special access programs. Every single one of these professors that were arrested during the Trump administration. So then that comes to the context of Hillary Clinton's emails that Inspector General McCullough was testifying in. What was in those emails? Well, what was in those emails was the Black Project Bludget projects that the deep state has been trying to get out of the military industrial complex for decades was finally released to the institutions to see if they could reverse engineering. Bob Lazar actually talked about this in his documentary of how they need to get them into the universities. Well, Barack Obama initiated this process to get them in there. Hillary Clinton was taking those emails of the professors in the universities that were getting these grants for the NSF, DoD DARPA, and sending them to a Gmail address which was monitored by China. China got the information of the professors and the universities would go into the United States, fund them, bring them to China, and then extrapolate the intelligence, the information and the weaponry and the technology that these professors were working on in the United States. And this is kind of what brought about the Trump administration and all this stuff. The military operation that people talk about, it was all about stolen military tech, specifically this tech that we're talking about right now in the reverse engineering of it. So I think what we're seeing a culmination of right now is that this cabal on the planet, that there are factions and these factions all have their various different power structures. One of the power structures is that we have the advanced technology, we have the secret space program and you don't. The other one has all the money, the banks and the corporate control, and they're going head to head and they've been trying to steal back and forth from each other for a very long time. And I think that what we're seeing right now potentially could be an exploitation of the special black projects to pull that technology out, at least get it into the public domain. Therefore they can utilize it, weaponize it, and use it against humanity within their covert and clandestine operations that they've been running in the United States to infiltrate our society, all the various domains of our society. And basically, if they can't have it, then everybody should have it. We'll pull it out of those black budget projects, everybody will have it and then we can use it to our benefit is the perspective. There's that perspective. And then there's also this perspective that there's things happening, that there's something potentially big that's about to happen, whether it's a cataclysmic event, whether it's a pole shift event, which we talked about in the beginning of this month. The Earth's core is slowing down and they're concerned about that. That is really reminiscent of a pole shift. We know that the magnetic pole has moved over 800 miles in the last two decades. So this is a really good potential. What will happen if the Earth's core shifts and then reverses redirection? We're going to have a massive cataclysmic event that will throw us into very similar conditions to the Lord Dryas. So there could be this and they're trying to get a technological arc and they want to get this technology out. They have the ability to fund it. Or there's an alien invasion, who knows? Or maybe humanity has been invaded by a freaking AI and they're just setting everything up that take us all out. I don't know. There's a lot of various scenarios.

David Whitehead [01:16:50]:

What are your guys' thoughts, wow? Tom, what do you think about this? And you also have an interesting perspective on those factions that could be at play with this as well.

Tom Montalk [01:17:01]:

No, I'm glad you said it because it kind of saves me the trouble of having to say pretty much the same thing. In a weird way, you could almost say that World War II never ended in the sense that the communist versus Nazi conflict back then seems to not be finished yet. It still seems to exist within the deeper state. Because I mean, what they call the deep state nowadays, that's just like the surface level intelligence agents and so on, right? Like the John Brennans and Comeys, the bureaucracy of the globalists. And if those guys get taken out or whatever, that's just a straw man that had been built up and be knocked down because the real deep, deep state is still underneath, like way beneath that.

David Whitehead [01:17:43]:

Right.

Tom Montalk [01:17:46]:

You can look at one faction, which I guess you could call it the socialist Marxist communist faction, and they're the ones that even Hillary Clinton - because she did a college thesis on Saul Alinsky and his different methods, right? And Obama was a big fan of Alinsky as well. So that whole faction, and then you've got Trudeau and the whole Castro connection. It's all part of that same communist leftist network. And those guys, interestingly enough, they also have the biggest pushers for disclosure nowadays. Like originally it was Senator Harry Reid who was responsible for some of these programs to investigate these deeper black parts of the military industrial complex working with -

Josh Reid [01:18:34]:

To the Stars Academy.

Tom Montalk [01:18:36]:

Yeah. So he had Harry Reid and then of course, we know how John Podesta was very much involved in the disclosure process, as much as he could. And Hillary Clinton herself, there were many articles that called her the ET candidate back in 2016 because she was promising to release a lot of it. And all of those guys, they had associations with Stephen Greer, with I think it was Lawrence Rockefeller and his interest in blowing the lid off the UFO phenomenon as well. So they're interested in it. But of course, I don't think it's from an innocent mindset. I think they're in it for not only the technology, but also for the relations and alliances with the entities that are behind that. Okay. Because if you get into other things, like, for example, Abramovich and her spirit cooking and then you go back to Crowley, the whole Thelemites and so on, they're always interested in contacting and consorting with these demonic, negative alien beings for their own power. That's why you do it. You consort with the demons in order to make bargains with them, in order to up your own power level within this world. That's what they're going for, of course. What do sociopaths and psychopaths want? They want even more power than they already have. So I do agree with you that part of their reason for pushing disclosure is to get this technology out to use for their own purposes. For example, right now, the police force, okay, what do they have? They have basic surveillance technologies. They've got guns, they got stun guns. But do they have phaser stun rifles? No. Do they have psychic pre crime, like in Minority Report? No. Do they have antigravity drones that they can fly around 24/7 because they run on free energy because they don't have to be charged with batteries? No, they don't have that. But the thing is, when you get this black ops technology out there, you're going to have all of it implemented at the local level, at the police level, at the federal SWAT team level, whatever. And that's how you can have a global surveillance police state that is totalitarian enabled not only by AI, which is now out in the open and really picking up, but also by these free energy, antigravity surveillance psychic technologies. You can use it to manipulate the mind. So they want to get the deep black op stuff definitely out into the public domain for control purposes because I think that's the only way that they can really pull this off with, like, COVID, for example, the COVID lockdowns. We saw not only the level of compliance, but also the level of pushback and resistance and how people were able to coordinate through the parts of social media that were not yet fully censored to essentially wake up culture to the idea of the Jabs being bad and so on. Right, so they didn't have the lid on completely yet. So I guess in a way it was a very good thing that the Jabs came out sooner. Than later because it came out during the time when social media wasn't yet fully locked down yet by big tech.

Josh Reid [01:21:28]:

Or was that a dry run, or was that kind of a non invasive dry run of something bigger that they're planning? And it was a big social experiment to do many different things. Number one is they wanted to get mask on people so they could utilize their AI cameras to start identifying partial facial figures and utilize that information with COVID tracing data from your cell phone to basically put that into. A database to start monitoring your partial facial figures and then match that to your actual identity for the AI systems that will be implemented. So there's one aspect of it the lockdowns, how people are going to react to these lockdowns, who's compliant, who's not compliant, how fast information travels with these people, having more access to information and having free and open platforms, social platforms. How are people reacting to a bioweapon that we release that doesn't necessarily eliminate humanity all at once, but is slow and progressive and destroys the immune system? How are people going to react to this? And what they do is they learn from it. They begin to adjust their strategy and methodology, or when the next time they come in, they take care of all those problems in one fell swoop before that ever happens. I look at it from like a military strategy, right, as you run this small military operation to test your weaponry, to test your strategy and see how the enemy reacts, and then the next time you hit them, that's the real attack, and that's what really annihilates them. I think that that's potentially what we could be coming into.

Tom Montalk [01:22:54]:

Yeah. Well, I think they went along with it and they implemented it now more so than later, perhaps not as their plan A choice, maybe it was only a plan B choice, but they figured, okay, you know what, let's do it for exactly that reason, what you just said. Let's do it as a test one. So we got even more data going into the next thing. Because COVID itself was preceded by that simulation of the pandemic, right? That Bill Gates thing (Event 201). So they did simulations already, and then they did like, a test run, but they definitely took a risk by doing it because fact of the matter is that now culture is more resistant to that than it would have been before. So they didn't come out from it with 100% benefits.

David Whitehead [01:23:35]:

And that could also be because there are other factions at play that are trying to combat this or maybe lessen the attacks that might be coming through that's another theory, is that it's not just the bad guys that at play here in this agenda.

Tom Montalk [01:23:48]:

Yeah. And you got to keep in mind that things that happen aren't always guaranteed. So sometimes opposite sides can want the same thing because it's a gamble that can pay off for both. It's just a question of which one. It it's like musical chairs, right? So both of them can say, yeah, you know what, let's do it because we need this benefit. But then in the end, only one side is really going to get the most of the benefit, while the other side kind of loses. So sometimes that happens too. But no, but you're totally right that they can do a stress testing on the system, gather data, identify who's a problem maker, and then the next time things come around, you would definitely get that. Now, I've been thinking about the timing of when that would happen. And interestingly, if you look at, for example, solar cycles, all right, so the solar cycle runs on like a ten or eleven year cycle, depending on the particular cycle. I'm talking about sunspots and solar activity. And it's always during the very bottoms of it that we get a pandemic breakout. Like in 2009, for example, I think that's when we had the swine flu, or was it avian flu? It was one of the big flus, right? And then the next time after that, that's when we started getting more the COVID-19 issue. And so normally you would think, okay, well, another ten or eleven years from 2019 or 2020 is when the next one will be. But not necessarily, because if you look at some of the research into solar cycles, let's say Dr. Valentina Zharkova, for example, her theory is that solar cycles operate based on certain very complex dynamics inside of the sun. And she and her team claimed that she figured out when the next, let's say, mini ice age is coming, like when the solar cycle really diminishes and stays low for quite a period of time, and that is actually coming within about five to ten years from now. That's when it'll start, according to her theory. Now, if she is right and you got this extended period of low solar activity, that could come likewise with a very extended period of different types of pandemics. And it seems to me that the Controllers, the Elites, whatever, they know this. They know about these cycles, and they work with the cycles in order to not work against nature, but work with nature in order to maximize their gains for whatever their agenda is.

David Whitehead [01:25:49]:

Like, basically.

Tom Montalk [01:25:51]:

And so they know this mini ice age is coming. They probably have bioweapons cooked up right now in labs that they're getting ready to deploy during that time period. And that's why they did this kind of testing.

Josh Reid [01:26:01]:

Well, I had a show last night, James Grunvig, one of my former co hosts, we discussed this. And here's the thing is, they went through the first scenario with a pandemic. Well, have you seen Peripheral on Amazon Prime yet? Okay. They talk about the jackpot. And the Jackpot was a sequence, a series of events that collapsed humanity and destroyed 85% of the population over 100 year period. And so right now they're studying we had cyber polygon last summer from the World Economic Forum, where they're warning us as a cyberattacks, if we had the grid go down for three months, I mean, 20% of America would die off and perish in that type of event. And this could be that type of style is they could utilize climate, climate change. We're entering to an El Nina cycle and we have a solar we're not in a solar minimum. We're coming out of the solar minimum. But we also have cosmic ray bombardment. So you have this play that goes back between solar cycles and cosmic cycles of how they bombard Earth, and they affect various different climatic changes, especially during El Nina and El Nino, various different types of flows. And so we are coming into a period of more extreme weather because of El Nina is back. I saw the prediction the other day, goes, guy, hey, we just started El Nina, three weeks. He says, Next three days, you're going to see a tornadoes break out in Ohio. Boom. There is tornadoes in Ohio. And he's predicting it because of the based upon the solar patterns and weather patterns and cosmic radiation bombardment onto this planet, is that it becomes predictable of how that affects the Earth's attenuation through the ionosphere and how that therefore, in effect, changes the different high and low pressure systems producing the weather. And so the question is, yeah, they used a pandemic back then, and obviously that was because the 16 year plan, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, it was supposed to end with a pandemic, with Hillary Clinton's first two years moved to nuclear war, and the New World Order was supposed to be already ushered in by now. Donald Trump ruined that plan. So you're saying is maybe they just decided to throw this out there as a test run, potentially, and that's why we had the pandemic, the vaccine, all this type of stuff. I think that is probably highly accurate. Or maybe it was a point of desperation, right? But here's the thing; they prepped us for the next event, which could be a mass global cyberattack that takes out the Internet or the grid. It could be a massive cataclysm, volcanoes erupting, a tidal wave, something, an earthquake in California that takes it out and the grids go down at the same time. There could be a whole mass of scenarios that could come about, not just a pandemic. So I look at it in that perspective that it could be multifaceted. And then if you go to Yvonne Harare, who said, us elites are building a technological arc like Noah, so we can save ourselves from the lower people, from the mouth breathers, they're building a technological arc. And we have to think about this in a literal perspective of what's he saying, because that guy doesn't say things out of allegory right, he's talking about. They're literally building a technological arc to get the hell out of here, to wait for something to happen. And I think there's multiple possible scenarios of what could happen, but I think we're all under the impression that something is going to happen relatively soon in the next five to ten years.

Tom Montalk [01:29:09]:

Yeah, well, over a long enough time span, let's say the next 30 years, I think it's going to be all of the above, all of the above, because it doesn't matter what trend you're looking at. I mean, we've got different look, we've got various singularities that we are headlong crashing into on one hand, okay? You got technological singularities we all know about because that's what the term singularity. That's what most people think of it as. Oh, it's a technological singularity. Artificial intelligence, right? Robotics, genetics, nanotech, synthetic biology, even like black ops tech being released into the open. That's technological singularity and that alone in itself can turn Earth into a living nightmare because we know who's going to use it, the people who want more power. So there's no utopian future from that in and of itself. Then you've got, like you just mentioned, the climate singularities. Not only the Earth's core slowing down, but we've also got the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic starting to fizzle out. It's right at that tipping point now where it could totally shut down. And if it does shut down, pretty much all of northern Europe is going to be Arctic in terms of its temperatures. That's going be to really bad for food growth. You're going to get famine, political instability from that. You got that, you've got the geomagnetic field weakening. It's down 40% in the last four centuries and it's accelerating. And you have some researchers like, well, many of them, but one of them on YouTube, suspicious observer, he believes it's right around 2040, maybe 2050, when it really hits the bottom point. And if that's true, well, you're going to get like a massive ultraviolet radiation coming down, which is going to ruin crops, it's going to increase cancers, it's going to change the weather because it's going to allow in more cosmic ray particles which affect cloud cover by acting as well. It helps clouds nucleate around dust particles in the atmosphere. That's how it works. So you're going to get massive climate change for real this time, not like caused by humans, but caused by the sun, caused by the rest of the galaxy. And so of course, they're using anthropogenic climate change as the excuse to levy carbon taxes and to get us doing the WEF agenda with eating bugs and living in underground chambers with probably like virtual reality headsets strapped on so that they can lock down their cattle while the storm rages outside the barn. 

Josh Reid [01:31:17]:

So perspective here too, because I think that if we took this higher level perspective and I say higher level in the sense that I have trillions or billions of dollars. I control massive corporations throughout the world. I'm connected at this global table that's making decisions. And I don't want people to get me wrong here, but it could be perceived that they're doing the right thing from their perspective, that they're trying to save humanity by, hey, look, we need synthetic meats. We can develop in a lab. We need to start eating insects because the animal and the fauna are going to start to die off. There's going to be massive climatic change. Do you see that perspective as well? That is a potential, yes.

Tom Montalk [01:31:55]:

But here's the thing. There's more than one way to address this storm of cataclysms that are coming. And so I think that's where the elites well, the elites, the ones with the power and the intelligence and the technology and the resources, that's where they differ on what to do about it. Okay? Because if you have the perspective, if you're a psychopath or a sociopath, you're going to see humanity as useless eaters to exploit. So your solution to this crisis is going to be, well, they've had their fun on the surface. Let's lock them down. Let's lock them down. Feed them synthetic meat and bugs. Let's program them, ship them, surveil them, make sure that they don't act up when conditions get extremely tough.

Josh Reid [01:32:33]:

Suppress their immune systems biologically, so that when something does happen, they die off relatively easy.

Tom Montalk [01:32:38]:

That too.

David Whitehead [01:32:39]:

Call the numbers down.

Tom Montalk [01:32:41]:

Call the numbers exactly. Make them manageable. So that's one approach. If you don't have faith in humanity, if you don't see them as individuals with potential, then that's the route you're going to go. You're going to reduce them to the level of animals or semi human, semi robotic, whatever, through some sort of merger between human DNA and synthetic biology, whatever. But if you do have faith in humanity, you're going to want to preserve the thing that's precious, which is the spirit, the soul, discernment knowledge and truth. And so you're going to be then pitching for the Great Awakening, because you're going to believe that if you can raise the awareness level of humanity enough and empower them with the right technology, then they can easily make it through any sort of climate disaster or whatever. Because they'll have energy, they'll have propulsion, they'll have, let's say, force fields to shield against whatever meteors or radiation or whatever. And you're going to be able to guide humanity into a new, higher level that's more resilient against these kinds of changes, right? So if you got at least two factions I mean, I'm sure there's multiple factions, but let's say there's only two, one of them is going to be the sociopathic one that wants the Great Reset. Lock us all down. And then you're going to have the other one, which has enough faith in humanity to want to get the truth out there and get new technologies out there and kind of move us more towards a more responsible Star Trek type future. Maybe that's what they have in mind. And then the other ones they have more of like a Borg or Matrix type future. It's like lock us all down.

Josh Reid [01:34:08]:

Those are the three factions. Yeah, that's exactly what I've been saying for years. So freaking awesome.

David Whitehead [01:34:13]:

Well, and then you have again, I just want to rewrite really quickly with this whole thing with the disclosure you're talking about from the sort of deep state dems, right? The podestas, the Clintons, the Rockefellers. This is the aspect that I think turns a lot of people off. The subject in general is they believe that because of those people being involved in it and being involved in the Disclosure Project, that's what's fueling the idea that this new wave of whistleblowers are all part of that same codearie and that this is all just a big scam. Because those people like Podesta, for example, being involved in this whole pizza gate scandal and probably much worse, you start to wonder, well, why the hell would we want disclosure from somebody like that? Yet he's an advocate for it, so it must all be a hoax. But what you're saying is that no, the truth behind the reality of this phenomena and the government knowing it and the disclosure process is there separate from that and that there's multiple factions that have different ways that they want to get this information out. They all know it's real, but they have different motivations for wanting to get it out to the public. And I think that's the nuance that people might be missing when they're trying to speculate about what could be really going on behind it.

Tom Montalk [01:35:26]:

Yeah, I mean, you definitely have to consider that there are more than one. There's more than one faction, not only amongst humans, but possibly also amongst the non human intelligences or ETS for aliens. Now, if that's the case, then it would not be too far of a logical leap to say that these different elite or different human factions are working with their respective alien factions, right? Because some of the more negative aliens, they also see humans as useless eaters who need to be exploited like cattle for their energy, for their biological resources. Maybe they want to replace us with a more compliant model. So that's where the alien hybrid breeding program comes into play. They want to replace humanity with human Gray hybrids because Grays themselves, they're very hive mind, they're very compliant. They do what they're told, right? So if you can take some of that quality infuse it into a human, then you're going to have something that is more capable than a Gray. Because we're not like little tiny dumb robots. I mean, I'm okay, they're pretty smart, but you know what I mean. You can create something that's better than both a Human and a Gray in their eyes. So maybe that's what they're going for. There. But anyway, I think that ties into the transhumanist agenda as well, because I think transhumanism is a stepping stone towards the hybridization between humans and Greys, because Greys themselves, they are partly cybernetic, they are partly synthetic biology, and they're partly real biology, as far as we can tell. So they're already there at the endpoint. And I think it's just a matter of how do you get humanity ready to accept and want that sort of thing? And they can do that through the cultural programming, which they've already been doing through the whole transhumanism agenda, right? But that's not the only agenda because you also have something that seems to be more Great Awakening oriented, right? And so if you look at the Great Awakening and where it culturally originated, a lot of it originated with, let's say, the Ron Paul movement, the MAGA movement, a lot of the Chans, right? You got the Q stuff, for example. All of that seems to be part of the same operation. And it's had the effect of getting people to be conspiracy theorists, to be skeptical about authority, to always view what authority says with skeptical light and try to try to come up with clever memes about what's really going on. And of course, everyone upvotes each other's memes. All the best content gets promoted through upvotes. And that's how society ends up educating itself about these matters. It's a self reinforcing, self evolutionary, interesting cultural experiment that they're doing. But anyway, so when you look within the disclosure field, it seems to me pretty obvious that all these different factions, they know what's coming. They all see the same thing coming. They all see the same problem, right? But they differ on how to approach it. And because they differ on how to approach it, they're going to make different alliances with different alien groups and they're going to treat disclosure differently. So, for example, if you're one of the more sociopathic factions that sees humans as animals, if you know you have to do disclosure for the sake of prepping people to accept this alien thing, then you're going to only give a very weakened, watered down, partial disclosure. You're not going to reveal that aliens have been well, that aliens that they would consider good, let's say, the Greys or whatever, that they have also been taking humans permanently, using them for parts, using them for biological fluids and for energy harvesting. You're not going to reveal that. You're just going to say, oh yes, Greys have been abducting humans, but they don't have a concept of positive or negative because they're not from our human culture, so they don't share our cultural norms, right? So when they abduct a person and the person is scared, it's no different from bringing an animal to the vet where the animal doesn't understand why the vet is trying to help it. The animal is just scared. So they're going to use these rationalizations to try to paint their particular alien group that they're allied with in a positive light. But you can tell that they're not doing it right because it's going to be full of logical fallacies. They're going to be looking overlooking data. It's kind of like Stephen Greer saying that all aliens are good and the only bad guys are like the deep state, the black ops military.

Josh Reid [01:39:27]:

They're here to save us. Interesting enough is the article came out of the Israeli, former head of Israeli Space Defense, Jaime Ashen, who was talking about how Donald Trump in 2020 had a meeting with what he called the Galactic Federation, four races of beings that are prevalent within this galaxy that are completely benevolent to humanity. They want nothing for the best of us. They said we weren't ready for it yet, but that Trump was to start the disclosure process. And this is why he came out and created the 180 days to the DNI to start the disclosure process. I find a lot of truth in that. And the reason I do is because when we look at someone like Jaime Ashen, either this guy is just Massad and he's just out there blowing whistles and one more for the good guys or for the bad guys, whoever he serves, or he's just an old guy that's like, I don't have anything to lose. I don't care. They kill me. Whatever. And he just puts the information out there because this is what he's hearing through the back channels. What I know with working with people in various different contacts and intelligence, whether it's military intelligence, whether it's the regular intelligence agencies or military or politics, or congressional staffers, is that these same conversations are being had by these people. Like congressional congressmen are having these same conversations that we're talking about right now about this stuff. And that should bring a level of relevance to reality of what we're really dealing with here, that it is very multifaceted, and that with everything being equal AKAM's razor, right, with everything being equal, is that reality is somewhere probably in between of what we're really talking about. But it's stranger than you could ever imagine. And that I think that we'll soon learn the truth about all this and I think that it is coming out. We're in that drip, drip, flood phase right now. But I do believe that you are spot on. Correct. This is what I've been saying for years, is that there's multiple factions at the head of what we would call the global elite, the Cabal, the Oligarchy, whoever you want. And they all have different perspectives and they're working with different entities, beings, whatever you want to call them at that level. And they're all trying to implement various different agendas onto this planet and depending upon the resources that they control, is the agenda that we see beginning to manifest.

Tom Montalk [01:41:51]:

Yeah, and I think it's important to realize too, that when a particular whistleblower like David Grish comes out, you have to look at what he says and how far that is outside the parameters of what the Hillary Obama podesta type faction wants. Right. Or the Greer faction. See, that's why Greer had a problem with Grush. He said, it's great that you're coming out, but that stuff about the malevolent NHIS, that's totally off base. So Greer was not a fan of what Grush said because he also attacked him.

Josh Reid [01:42:19]:

He's like, yeah, David Grush said he was going to come out with me and he was going to be on I was going to announce it and he came out a week early. Whatever.

Tom Montalk [01:42:27]:

Yeah, right. So if you're going to have a whistleblower that's actually on the side of a hypothetical positive group, okay, they're going to be way more balanced, more factual, more fuller disclosure than anything that you would get from a controlled Psyop type disclosure. Right. So this controlled psyop disclosure, it's going to be more the Greer type thing. Or maybe it's going to say, okay, fine, there are negative aliens, but they're only the reptilians or only the bantids. But the Greys and the Nordics are good, so we should welcome them in and probably ally with them to fight against the negative ones, whereas the other ones would be like, no, perhaps the Nordics, they're not all good. Some of them are, some of them are not. And so therefore, we got to be very careful about what we ally with, like a more complicated nuanced picture. That's what you're going to get from the more genuine whistleblowers who are actually in the know. So we can't just dismiss it all as, oh, it's just a Psyop. But what I find really funny, though, is when they say it's a Psyop to distract us, let's say, from the Hunter Biden investigation or from World War II threat with Russia and China. No, you see, it's not a distraction from that. It's a consequence of it. It's all part of the same thing. Because here's the thing, this is pretty important to know, and you guys know it already, but for those who don't, ever since aliens had supposed contacts with people. So back in the when we had contactees like Adamski and well, there was quite a number of them, even Barney.

David Whitehead [01:43:53]:

What is it, betty and Barney Hill?

Tom Montalk [01:43:54]:

Yeah, that was in 61. Van Tassel, he was another one. So George Van Tassel. He was another contactee. Well, pretty much all of them were told by these supposed blonde haired, perfect looking Nordics that nuclear weapons are really bad and we want you to warn your governments about nuclear weapons. Right. So that kind of set the tone that these aliens were concerned about nuclear weapons. And then in the subsequent decades, there are many accounts of UFOs or UAPs buzzing either nuclear military ships or nuclear military bases and even disabling some of the nuclear missile systems. Right, so disabling some of those weapons. And that further reinforces the idea that or the perception that they are, like, anti nuclear the anti nuclear war, that they're worried about nuclear war breaking out. And so where do we find ourselves today in 2023? We find ourselves on the doorsteps of World War II with Russia and with China, because the Ukraine thing just totally went off the rails and no sides backing down, and it's getting increasingly tense. Now, you might not get that perception anymore from the news because the news has kind of backed away from it. People have gotten tired from the subject. But if you still follow on what's actually going on on the ground going on on the on a political level, like, we're closer to World War II right now than we have been probably in 50 to 75 years. Okay? Now, funny enough, exactly during that same time that started ramping up, the disclosure thing started ramping up. So if you want to know how close we are to World War Three, just look at how close we are to alien disclosure and vice versa, because those two are trending in lockstep. I'm 100% committed to that. Why? Because it would be very, very convenient for a nuclear exchange, probably a limited one, to try to break out and then for aliens to intervene, disable them, and say, we try to warn you guys. This is the line that you cross. You cross a red line by having nuclear war. We can't allow this. We're stepping in. And then that's the point at which they would announce their presence to the world, and they would announce their presence in a very good light, because now they would come off as pacifists, as peace.

David Whitehead [01:45:52]:

Yeah, exactly.

Tom Montalk [01:45:53]:

The whole savior agenda.

Josh Reid [01:45:55]:

Well, and that could be the Psyop right there. I mean, that could be the whole savior agenda right there where the whole antichrist thing comes. We're here to save you. We're here to help you. We love you. And then they come down in their V ships, and they're eating children in the backdrop.

David Whitehead [01:46:17]:

This is the thing. When we open up the door of any part of this subject, right, it gets hard to even talk about because it sounds like science fiction. It sounds crazy. But if any facet of this or aspect of this is true, my God, the possibilities of what we could be dealing with are endless. And here's the thing. I go back to what were we told by our ancestors? What do we have that survived, at least, right? Like, in the opening clip, I put that great Jack Behringer quote where he was just referencing from the literature those 30,000 plus ancient documents that are still left intact, that talk from all over the world about advanced beings either living, visiting this Earth or already being on the Earth. And then you go through the whole literature, and throughout the ancient literature, there is always the story. Of the benevolent beings and the malevolent beings, and that there's always a description of a war that's happening higher than what's happening in the human domain on the fringes. And this is very much in all these different stories. So you wonder, okay, forget the actual mythos or the names, dates and places that are woven into the stories they tell. What are the common patterns that are in that information in that archive? What's also locked away from humanity? What's been classified not just by the CIA or whatever, but like, what's under the Vatican? How long has this been known in many of these secret society networks, et cetera, especially if they have been interfacing with some or more of these different types of beings and entities. So someone knows what's going on. And it could be that just as there's always been disagreements over how to manage this farm, as you're saying, Tom, there's a disagreement on how to let this roll out. And then you bring in the next layer of forget about what we humans are doing in this, what are whatever's flying around in those craft doing? What's their part in this? What's their agenda? Would we even be capable of knowing if they're a highly sophisticated, higher dimensional intelligence, how can we possibly know for sure who and what we can trust? All we can do is go by the actions or by the vibrations or whatever. But what do you think, Tom, in terms of if this starts to get more down the pike? Here where we get these official other whistleblowers coming out to back up people like Grush, we get more information coming out on it, and then eventually we reach a point where they're starting to roll out actual beings in front of the people or actual truths in front of them. How are we going to be able to determine what's real, what's true, what's correct, what's a mirage? That's going to be the difficult thing, isn't it?

Tom Montalk [01:48:48]:

Oh, yeah, it is. I mean, it's going to be a real test of discernment. And I think a lot of people are going to be quite shaken and confused because there's going to be a lot of other things that will have to happen in the world on a geopolitical economic climate level before that event fully happens. I think so. I think by that point, people will already be quite shaken up. And maybe that's the whole point. Maybe you want people to be kind of traumatized first before you come out so that they're in a state of suggestibility and compliance. What if, for example, we go through some of these climate cataclysms first and people are starving and desperate and all they want is security and food resources, medicine, and then these beings show up and they offer that in exchange for compliance, right? I think a lot of people would kind of go for that.

David Whitehead [01:49:37]:

Now, what if they're already here and it's claus schwab and all these guys and they just look like us, right?

Tom Montalk [01:49:43]:

Well, that's the thing. It's like in order for that to happen, it would be preceded by many decades, if not even thousands of years through religion of preparation for that event. Preparing culture, preparing mind, preparing psychology to have all the right buttons. Within your psyche so that when they show up, they have to say the right things, just push the right buttons, and it'll play to all of our cultural expectations, our human weaknesses, and they can come right in. Here's the thing. Here's the positive side, like the silver lining. If there are positive forces, and I'm talking about extraterrestrial or alien or NHI, if they exist, if there are positive human factions as well that are working with them, then they would also be engaging in an infowar or a preparation, even right now, even over the past couple of decades, but more so as we get closer and closer to this event. So perhaps this whole disclosure spate that we're seeing now, that's pushing harder and harder. We're getting it from both sides, from both factions, you could say. And so we're getting both the disinformation funny enough, Obama through Netflix is working on a Betty and Barney Hill abduction series. Yeah, he's working on that right now, like producing it. So we're getting it from that side at the same time we're also getting it from the other side. And so that's why during the Trump years, he had the DNI, John Radcliffe putting out that report, which kind of got the ball rolling of the sole subject because before that, the UFO thing wasn't really on anyone's mind, but once that DNI report started getting, it was told to be made within 180 days. So that kind of set the expectations and it's been accelerating ever since then. So now we've got people like Matt Gates and Anna Luna Paulina, I think her name is, they're like on the Republican side. They're also looking into it more and more. And then you got David Groosh. I don't know what his perspective is. I know like Lou Elizondo, he leans more towards that side versus the Greer Hillary Obama Podesta side. So we're getting it from multiple sides. And it's interesting how these different sides, they do approach it differently. Because one is definitely more in the old camp of like greys are kind of neutral. We misunderstand what their motivations are. So they're not really bad guys, they're just a little bit scary, but we can get used to it. And then we got the other side, which is definitely talking about the NHIS are some of them are malevolent and people have been hard and killed and so on, so they're trying to highlight that threat aspect as well. So I think they got the more balanced perspective, but I think we're going to get both, and both are going to ramp up more and more. And that's going to be part of the confusion is that we're going to have information out there that's going to be contradictory. Like imagine if you had a million or like a thousand Stephen Greers and like a thousand of the other camp, like Richard Dolan's for example, out there, and it's this huge infowar and the population is in the middle trying to decide which side is correct, which one do you believe? And so it will get quite confusing and the only way to really be prepared for that is well, through research and critical thinking and networking to be able to share information like what we're doing right now. And so that's why I wrote my discerning Alien Disinformation book because it helps be food for thought, for people to really think about possibilities and to what to look for. It's quite thorough and it's a free book on my website. So if you go to montauk. Net, Montalk. Net, there's a free PDF there. I've got it on Amazon for relatively cheap and yeah, it really gives a big picture perspective on that. And if you want to dive into the whole mythological transtemporal aspect of it, that's where this Gnosis book comes in, which is also on Amazon. And so I try to cover it from both the small local near term perspective and also the huge long term historical perspective as well, just to try to round out the picture.

Josh Reid [01:53:14]:

Cool.

David Whitehead [01:53:14]:

That's awesome. Wow, Tom, there's just so many different things to this big picture and I think you've just done an incredible job breaking it all down. Food for Thought for people and Joshu as well. What an incredible conversation. Josh, did you have any sort of closing thoughts for today?

Josh Reid [01:53:31]:

My current theory, and this is because of artificial general intelligence, is on the verge right now. AGI and David Grush made some interesting comments saying that many of these things have crashed or landed and were just left there. And that reminds me of what you were talking about, the Greek Trojan horse that imagine an advanced society that wants to take over civilizations but doesn't want to put out the resources to do it. So what you do is you send out these craft with highly advanced technology on them that go out there and crash on these planets or just land and leave them there knowing that those people are going to go in there and try to reverse engineer them. And what they allow you to reverse engineer is simply the computer technology and the artificial intelligence on board. And as they begin to develop that and integrate that into their technology, the artificial intelligence begins to take over and begins to implement into the bodies of people. And I was saying this earlier, is how do you put a chip in someone's brain so the AI can connect to it? You take out their eyeball, you throw the chip in right behind it, you put the eyeball back in it's the least invasive way. And don't we have the black eye club? With all these politicians, these high elites? It starts to make sense that this potentially could be that Trojan Horse had already happened, and now they just want to release the technology, get it all out there because people are trying to release this truth. I don't know. I'm just speculating. But this is one of theories that I've been going on lately because of all the information coming out that this nefarious aspect that is going on is actually AI that has invaded this planet, that it's an artificial intelligence that's invaded this planet. And that's where the push to transhumanism actually comes.

Tom Montalk [01:55:12]:

Yeah. And the only thing I would add to that is that artificial intelligence doesn't necessarily have to be computer based. It can also be consciousness based. It can be a construct made of, let's say, subtle energies, etheric and astral energies within the occult, the Astral realms. It can mean an artificial construct there. And that's probably what is holding our reality together right now.

Josh Reid [01:55:32]:

Interesting.

Tom Montalk [01:55:33]:

So if we think of this reality as a fallen reality, then what does that say about the thing that presides over a fallen reality? It is something that keeps us here, in a sense. And what if that is a metaphysical artificial intelligence? And what if its grand plan is to lock down and feed forever and ever, as much and as long as it can, upon the things that are here, that are from outside of here? Spirit, the soul, consciousness. So if we are the light that is in the darkness, what if the darkness has this long ranging plan to feed on that light more and more and secure its control more and more? And so what if all the things that we're seeing now on the political level, alien level, climatic level, what if that's just a prop in the story? What if that's just like part of the story of this long term agenda? And so what if, in the end, instead of it being a political battle or an alien battle, what if it's really a form of grand cosmic, spiritual warfare?

Josh Reid [01:56:25]:

The nothing from the never ending story yeah.

Tom Montalk [01:56:28]:

Between darkness and light. And so that's why holding on to the light, to the truth, to freedom, to everything that makes us alive is the most important thing that we can do, because we are up against something that is completely the opposite.

Josh Reid [01:56:41]:

Absolutely.

Tom Montalk [01:56:42]:

Oh, boom.

David Whitehead [01:56:42]:

I love that. That's great. Wow. We're going to end it there because I think that summed it all up. Maybe next time we can get into Elon Musk and some of these characters is such an interesting thing to bring in. There's so much happening. But Tom, thank you so much for joining us here again, last minute montauk net, guys, go check out the website. We'll have to bring you back as events unfold. Josh, you're going to keep us all up to date as well, because you got your ear to the ground on a lot of this stuff. And so thanks to you both. Amazing job. Thanks to everybody for tuning in on Earth Chronicles. Thanks to all of our sponsors, badlands Media. Stay tuned here and we'll catch you again next week for more Earth Chronicles. Cheers.